Wednesday, July 10, 2024

Buying a Low-Budget British Sports Car. Part Four. Louis Shalako.



Louis Shalako



You got to have a plan, Stan.

How much you gonna pay, Ray.

It’s just another toy, Roy,

You better listen to me—

There’s fifty ways to empty your wallet.

Especially, with an MGB.

 

How did British Leyland lower the compression ratio on the MGB engine, from 8.8/1 to 8.0/1, circa 1973: deep-dish pistons. Ergo, therefore and thusly, the block and the head are the same as previous years...maybe. These are the deep-dish pistons, this cylinder head (below) has larger valves installed. The ad states that the last three owners all had intentions of restoring this vehicle. $1,000.00 in Collingwood, Ontario, an easy 200-miles from Sarnia.

And is true, that my crusty old minivan will pull a max of 3,800 lbs. and you can rent a utility or car-hauler type trailer by the day or the week or whatever.

Looking at the photos, I would say that my old ’71 roadster had the shallow-dish, in fact the little raised ring was perhaps a bit smaller, a little further out from the cylinder wall. The difference is unmistakable but only if you have seen the other type before. If you are totally a first-timer, you may not spot that without prior research or information. 

(Assuming you take the engine apart in the first place. - ed.)

All of those holes are for oiling, cooling, and the eight holes on the far side are for pushrods.

But this ’73 project car would definitely be an 8.0/1 compression ratio engine, with significantly less power than the ’71, which was rated at about 95bhp and 104 lb-ft. of torque—yet the vehicle would still have the dual carbs, it would still have air injection, which most folks simply remove, and it would not have a catalytic converter, for example. (And this would be a good time for a guy like me to go off, read up on it and either check or confirm my facts.)

This gentleman has an interesting blog post on the subject of rebuilds, oil pressure, and oil consumption and things like that.

The Locost mentioned in the text appears to be a one-off, home design.

Larger valves, the water control valve.

Ah, nice. You can see the water control valve for the cockpit heat and windshield defogging.

The link for the parts car is already dead...

How hard is it to take the rubber bumpers from a later model MGB and replace them with chromies. I had wondered, my instinct is that the turn signal castings, lenses and gasket are 'probably' simply re-used from previous iterations. Some guys simply rewire the N. American side marker lamps and that now becomes the turn signals. The frontal visibility would be somewhat reduced, but they’re prepared to live, or to die with it. (It probably does skirt the letter and intent of the law, so you might want to get the safety check first and do the mods later…) Otherwise, you have to cut a couple of rectangular holes in the fenders, not quite centred under, but below the headlights, bearing in mind the curve or conformity of the original castings. Or, you can buy period-correct fenders which will have provision for these lamps, which are stamped and the mounts do stick out from the curve of the fender. 

The actual 5-mph collision-safety bumpers also required additional structure. It was an add-on, which interferes with the simple bolt-on chrome bumper mounts. You can get those fenders new or used, one would think. All it takes is patience. And money. If a company modifies a vehicle, they may not have bothered to drill them holes, where the old bumpers attached. What looks simple at first glance will, inevitably spawn complications. The same could be said of modifying any vehicle. And quite frankly modern cars are not meant to be maintained or repaired by the owners. Fifty years ago, the more enthusiastic owners thought nothing of putting in new spark plugs, changing their own oil, air and fuel filters, burned-out bulbs, or doing brakes and things like that.


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The rear bumper does not have lights in it, but the additional structure must be there, in order to sustain a 5-mph hit.

This guy has done away with the front signal lights, in the images. This is the classic position for turn signals in the early models.

This MGB is a ‘project car’ listed at $1,000.00, in Burlington, Ontario.

(Link will be dead at some point.)

…The Plan Spawns Endless Complications.

 

Let’s say you do buy that later model MGB, with the rubber bumpers, the ride height increased by one inch, and the engine detuned and pollution controlled, with the result that it is heavier, handles much less well than the previous models, and the horsepower is much reduced. What is the best thing to do with that car? Bear in mind, in a previous post, I concluded that a clean body-shell is ‘everything’ to quote myself, which is a bit like the guy who represents himself in court and has a fool for a client.

I’m a writer, quoting myself.

Why not try a low-ball offer. Why not see if you can get the machine for a little cheaper than the asking price. Why not see if we can get it through a safety check, why not register the thing in our own name, why not put insurance on it, the bare minimum of insurance, and why not just drive the thing as it is. Why try to pretend it’s something that it is not? Let’s not delude ourselves into thinking that it will fetch thirty thousand poonds at auction. We’re simply not playing at that level, but we are playing, and sometimes that alone is enough.

Knowing that you probably aren’t going to make bags of money on your new purchase, influences the decisions about how much to put into it. If you gave someone a completely disassembled MGB or other sports car, and they put it all together again, it’s really only going to be worth so much in the marketplace—and if you really have twenty or thirty grand laying around, you can just go buy a much better car…at a high-end auction. You can also probably afford brand-new parts and any modifications might be done by seasoned professionals. You might be looking for a car that’s original, matching numbers and all that sort of thing, rather than something cobbled together by someone who maybe shouldn’t be doing such things…

It’s a low-budget sports car, true, but that is only a relative concept. It’s not a race car, it’s not a show-car, it’s not a street racer, it’s not going to impress your friends, but then they all think you’re an idiot anyways—they may love you in spite of yourself, but they still think you’re an idiot.

Here is one example. You have the 1977 MGB roadster and you want to upgrade the power, go back to chrome bumpers from the classic era, and you want to lower the machine by one inch. The later model vehicles use the front sub-frame from an MGB V-8. The company welded one-inch steel plates, (probably), under the ends of the sub-frame, in order to mount the suspension…the front sub-frame is held in place by four big bolts, then there is the steering rod and the steering rack to consider, then there is the independent front suspension, and then there are the brake lines, an anti-roll bar, etc.

Assuming you can unbolt and disconnect, you have to lift the rest of the vehicle off of there, dismantle all of that, and then you have two choices. You can try and cut and remove the one-inch steel plates, or you can try and find a front sub-frame from an earlier model, or try and get a new one from some supplier somewhere. You can try to get adaptive bits and pieces (new or re-engineered aftermarket parts) in order to just bolt on and not go that far with the dismantling. You may or may not be able to use the original springs. The plates, in my interpretation, simply push the springs an inch further down, and the shocks are still bolted on top of the sub-frame. This would, in fact, change the geometry of the steering and suspension, which is one of several reasons why later models are not noted for handling. I would have to examine two different cars side-by-side, listen to an expert, or get the proper information somewhere. This is where those online forums are so useful. They’re riddled with expert mechanics, and more than happy to help a fellow enthusiast. They might even have a few things to sell, right? And we are sort of interested in buying.

Those pesky turn signals. 1972 U.K. version.

It’s not an easy job, and one would think having done all of this, it’s a good time to check that steering rack, replace the flexible brake lines at the very least. Naturally, when you take all that apart, you may consider new bushings, bearings, brake pads and rotors and all of that sort of thing…such a simple little plan, and yet it spawns complications.

The rear end may be a bit easier, it is unclear at this point if the rear leaf springs are simply jacked up by shackles, or whether the company found some other way of recycling old parts from the bin, bearing in mind the MGB was showing its age at this point, (1977) and clearly did not justify major expenditures in terms of re-design and re-tooling at the factory.

The importance of a clean body shell. There is simple cosmetic appearance. There is structural strength, and then there are the niggling and persistent little details. In a vehicle of some age, we might decide not only to replace the flexible brake lines, but also the steel brake lines. I have done steel brake lines, borrowing the flaring tool, purchasing the raw steel tubing; piecing all of that together. The problem comes when you go to hang that on the actual vehicle—you need screws, clips, rivets even, and the bottom of your vehicle is rotten. Where are you going to drill all them holes—you can’t drill a hole in air, and screwing or riveting or clipping something to some surface that is corroded or paper thin is a lose-lose proposition. The problem at this point, is that you are already committed.

The same goes for the fuel lines. Just substituting fuel-resistant rubber hosing on wire garbage-bag ties under the vehicle may be a low-cost option for the fuel lines, but it really isn’t going to work for the brakes, which operate at a higher pressure.

Interestingly, for many of the conversion-type jobs listed above, you can probably get some kind of estimate of parts and labour…from somebody, somewhere.

Our surprise pick for this post.

Before you even buy the car—helpful information, to be sure.

Here’s one of those terrible truths that aren’t all that much fun to confront. If I don’t have ten or twelve grand for some reasonably complete and driveable little sports car of any description at all, (option one), I probably don’t have ten or twelve grand to fix up a wreck, assuming I had the tools, the knowledge, the experience and the facilities, (option two). If I honestly thought I could find ten or twelve grand over the next year or two, then I could also, probably find ten or twelve grand to pay off a loan on a vehicle that was clean, whole, complete and driveable from the beginning. Five years ago, the rate was 8.99 %. I checked the other day, and it is now 14.5 % in this town, for a personal loan. So, cash would be decidedly better.

The first option is clearly the better one. I just want to have some fun, and the rest can wait.

 

END

 

 

A 1980 MGB, in red. You could do worse for the price. 

The MGB Experience.

The MGB Register Forum.

My Surprise Pick from the 22 Recent Entries from Auto Trader Ca.

Just listed; Right Around the Corner. Needs Fuel Tank, Not running. ($5.000.00. '73 MGB)

Looks like a trap.

Classics.On Buying an MGB.

On Buying an MGB. Part Two.

Buying an MGB (or other) Sports Car.

Uhaul. Rent a Trailer or Whatever.

Images. Mostly stolen. 

Check out Louis Shalako’s The Art of Murder, an audiobook available from Google Play.

See his works on ArtPal.


Thank you for reading, ladies and gentlemen.







 

 

 


Sunday, July 7, 2024

Classics: Buying MGB (or other) Sports Cars, Part Three. Louis Shalako.

Triumph Spitfire. Sven Homberg.








 

Louis Shalako



Okay. I have been researching British sports cars from the past, and I have found a very small number of Triumph Spitfires in Ontario. Kijiji is a free online ad service. There are other websites, some of those cars go for a lot more money. Arguably, some of those guys know what they're doing. For a car of this type, $8,200.00 seems a reasonable asking price, so-called haggle or wiggle-room, is actually a wider split than some much more modern used car, one that is intended to be a daily driver. My point here is that it is not really practical transportation, and you have the option of low-balling an offer and if it is not accepted, then just walking away.

The seller has the option of saying no way, Jose.

That seems fair enough.

I can't even say these cars are rare, (they shouldn’t be), but it's possible that people are just hanging onto them. I can't even drive a Spitfire, I can push in the clutch, but when I go to let it up, my knee hits the bottom of the dashboard...there is not enough space to slide the left foot down beside the clutch. In other words, a very small car, even for the time and place. This is the best of maybe three vehicles, (I found 31 results for MGB recently), and the sort of average price makes fixing up a project car kind of a lose-lose situation, in terms of the money. I've always liked the front end that tips forwards, exposing the working guts of the vehicle, and of course, the GT-6, a two-litre, straight six coupe version is one of the most attractive small car designs of all time. How do we price such vehicles? The online Kelly Blue Book sort of websites only seem to go back to the year 2000. There must be other websites for the serious buyer or collector.

The M.G. Midget is also inaccessible to me, it’s simply too small in the cockpit for me to drive it.

It's all wonderfully accessible...$8,200.00.

I believe the 1975 Spitfire has the longer trailing arms on the independent rear suspension, and that it cornered at an impressive 0.87 on the skid-pad. I get this sort of info from the Wiki articles and other sources listed below.

In a previous blog post, I mentioned a red Spitfire with a Chrysler alternator. Fuck, I’m looking at photos online, but with this one, I really have to wonder.

Is that you, Dave…???

I’m just going on memory here, but the Spitfire had a very tight turning circle, the steering wheel taking 2.3 turns, lock-to-lock, and nothing much under the fenders to obstruct the cranking of the wheels. Visually, you can see the attraction of lifting that front end and there it is, all accessible. The GT-6 has been called the poor man's E-Type for just this reason.

If you can’t see that, this might not be the collectible car for you…

In the photo, the left front tire is wearing on the inner area, probably an issue of alignment, you may want to replace the tie-rod ends. Yet the overall package seems good, and the very small number of available vehicles sort of answers the question for itself. It’s going to cost you money—how badly do you want to do this, sort of thing.

The radiator has an overfill tank on this model, and the windshield washer bottle is up by the firewall. It helps to know what you’re looking at, rather than driving all over the place, doing the research first-person. I am, quite frankly, educating myself, before even picking up the phone and talking to a real, live person with a car to be sold.

This example is at least worth having.

I’m time-tripping again. I agree, a mechanic who cannot plug into the diagnostics would have to have some direct knowledge and experience. In this town, that would be a rarity. Larger cities in Canada still probably do have their very professional, enthusiast-mechanics. I may be the most qualified guy in Sarnia, population 72,000. Don’t get me wrong: there are Porsche and BMW mechanics in this town. They’re working on fairly new vehicles and have all the dealership and factory support they can handle. If you brought them a 356, they could fix it, and they could probably fix an M.G. as well. This would be at the prevailing shop rates. There are jobs you don't want to do yourself, that's especially true of rolling around in the driveway, in winter, or rain, or heat, and trying to fix something that's better left to the pros.

The black ’78 MGB pictured has over 102,000 k, according to the ad, although that is more probably miles.

I’ve seen some interesting cars just rotting into the ground, with trees growing up through the floor and what’s left of the roof. The only thing there is the castings, perhaps the glass, a few fittings, instruments perhaps. Yet you can buy rebuilt and new parts from any number of U.K. and U.S. suppliers. Obsolete Automotive is right here in town.

With this company, I reckon it’s mostly online sales, mail order, and stuff like that. The amount of walk-in traffic would be minimal.

Open up the doors, and you see why the sills and the transmission tunnel are so important structurally.

Nice. I know I can take the thing apart and put it back together again. The real problem in Canada is corrosion, and some projects just aren’t worth starting. You have to know when: that is a parts car and the rest is scrap metal.

(See previous blog post. - ed.)

Yeah, people pay to import Carolina or ‘southern’ cars. The red MGB locally, purports to be just such a car. Price: $12,000.00. Sounds good, but not exactly a money-making proposition.

Nowadays there are all sorts of tutorials on Youtube. That being said, I’d just pull the motor and take it to a professional machine shop or ship it in a crate to someone with a good reputation. All it takes is cold, hard cash…

…This is the straight dope: when I go off of disability, I will get a raise of $300-400.00 per month. The average new car these days is $66,000.00 here in Canada. Ten or twelve grand for a good B almost seems reasonable. The thing is, to have that daily driver. The M.G. is more for pleasure.

$8,100.00.

Behind our shop in the wilds of Plympton-Wyoming. There are fourteen storage units, last I heard, the rate was $180.00/month. The doors are at least ten feet wide, and the units at least fourteen feet long, just going on eyeball and instinct. A hundred-foot extension cord. A couple of work lights on poles. A bench across the back, a few tools, a good manual, and I could work on an MGB. I could build a low ramp and get her a foot or so up off the ground...you can buy cheap metal ramps for oil changes, just for example. If I was going to drive the B for the summer, I could leave the minivan outside, clean up the unit and I would not have to pay the monthly fee...right. If one must have some kind of a crazy dream, we might as well go into some detail. And if the opportunity should arise, we now have some semblance of a plan.

If I had any brains at all, I’d make myself some kind of authority on the subject, and then write a really helpful and entertaining book about it.

The price on the black ’78 has been reduced, from just under ten thou to $8,100.00. Okay, the later models have many knocks against them. But in terms of this marketplace, a clean body shell is everything. With a good monocoque, good steel in all the right places, everything else is possible.

All it takes is money, time and a good dose of passion.

The bodywork on this machine looks fair in the pictures, bearing in mind the age of the vehicle, Canadian winters; road salt, and simply being left outdoors. I’ve always wondered what Jay Leno had against rain. Jay has cars worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. As for myself, I hate to see any interesting vehicle parked in the long, wet grass for any period of time. They deteriorate so much more quickly. That includes relative cheapies such as the MGB or Triumph Spitfire. 

I could have work space for a price...

This vehicle is 46 years old. The basic engine is the same as earlier models, it has been detuned and pollution-controlled. This is one of several knocks, considering an 18-second 0-60 time.

(Link will become dead when it sells.)

…Looking into the engine bay, we can see an overflow tank on the aluminum radiator, the old Tudor drink-bottle style washer fluid bottle has been replaced with a larger unit. This is a single-barrel Zenith-Stromberg carburetor, the rectangular thing on top is the air cleaner, and we can still see the old EVAP cartridge thingy behind the washer bottle.

The brake and clutch master cylinders appear to be newer, much larger units. The exhaust manifold is unchanged, and that is a stock M.G. alternator of 35 amps. I’m thinking the old, copper radiators had the hose going to the thermostat housing from the other side, in my recollection. If you look closely, you will see the hot water valve on the side of the engine and the upside-down oil filter cartridge.

I would think that before tearing a bunch of stuff off of this engine and trying to convert it to a previous spec, (thereby gaining thirty or so horsepower), you have to be familiar to the type that you are building it to, if you take my meaning.

The author is relying on limited knowledge and a lot of memories. Mistakes of a technical nature in the text are his responsibility and his alone.


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We talk about this engine in the text. To be objective, this engine and this car are not hopeless.

Classics: On Buying an MGB. Louis Shalako.